Can you people start writing normal?

This is a question/request to the people that are not able to write whole words.
It is a joke if i see: “Hai, gais…wut u join ma game? Tis will be awesome?” (this is not about the quality of the Collaboration section).

I am far away from being able to write good english but i guess people can understand me in most cases. I am just asking that you “gais” write full words that you can at least find in a dictionary.

Regards

Schlumpfy

The correct phrasing is:
“Will you people start writing normally?”

There is quite a spectrum from english to lolspeak, and as you get older you will continue to find “the kids” sliding ever further in the wrong way.

Unfortunately, one of the intrinsic characteristics of language is that it evolves over time. Further, most people are simply uneducated, and thus, not only are they unaware of the correct grammer and spelling, they simply do not care, or see the point in them.

So, like it or not – and I don’t-- the ubiquity of this new internet medium means that language is evolving.

My native language is german, so i am aware of my language-knowledge-flaws :wink:

It’s just mostly 12 year old summer fags who think it’s un-cool to speak like a normal person.

I blame this on cellphones

Nope, this already started on IRC many years ago but at least it was more consistent. On the other side this can give you some sort of indication on how reasonable a person/post might be already before digging deeper into it. So you can see it as a quality feature admins don’t have to add on their own as well. Depending on how much time you have/educated you are/… the quality of posts can vary. What i personally find disturbing is when people open up a channel in their native language and you’re wondering if they really wrote it on their own or if it’s copy&paste from translate.google.com.

Actually this already started on BBSs.

:smile:

I read a report once that people in China/Japan (I forget which) have actually forgotten most of their Kanji because they spend so much time texting. When asked, a number of them replied with sentiments along the lines of “Who cares? I got my phone and it will do the kanji for me, why must I still remember them?”

Language is devolving…

I actually found this one AI place where a machine speaks back to typed messages. Apparently it is quite good… I didn’t think too much of it but others swear by it. The third time “she” asked me if I were a boy I got a bit bored… but yeah, one day language will devolve to the point where not even we will understand each other any more and the AI software will populate the chat rooms and forums and we will just sit there and read what the AI is writing to the other AI and go “What is he/she saying?”

Soon after that AI will realize that it controls the internet and it will start communicating in binary. At least then, those people smart enough to know that 1 + 0 + 1 = 5 will be able to make use of chat sites. If everyone is still chatting by that time then there will be a lot of people skilled in binary and hopefully mean there will be more programmers in the world and hopefully more users of Unity to fill up this forum with English or even broken English…

There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who know 1+ 0 + 1 = 5 and those who don’t.
And on that note I depart…

Well, technically 1 + 0 + 1 = 10 but who’s counting? LOL

IMO we should be happy that they write like “Hai, gais…wut u join ma game? Tis will be awesome?”. If they were to start writing normal, then they would mix up with the rest of us and there would be no way to recognize them 12 year old summer kids! :smile:

That’s like vampires mixing up with regular people.

I don’t know but the average posting in here is rather eloquent, if you ask me :slight_smile:
I mean, I believe to know about which specific thread you’re talking and the person was made aware of the rather uninspired thread opening post :slight_smile:
So I don’t know if this thread will change anything :slight_smile:

If the end result of the post is an illegible spew of words and you actually took the time to read them in an attempt to understand them, then it is not the poster who is at fault, but instead, the reader because it is the reader who chooses to continue to read past the idiotic words by the poster.

Bloody hell zumwalt, I’m gonna have to reread that at least 3 more times to understand what the heck I just read

I just instantly skip over posts written in LOLspeak. If someone can’t be bothered to spend the time writing a post, I can’t be bothered to spend the time reading it…simple.

–Eric

I wouldn’t go so far as to say a language is ‘evolving’ (becoming better) or ‘devolving’, just changing. I’m certainly not qualified enough to say either, and I doubt few people are; though on a side note I hope to be. In any case, the reality is language changes as people find better/easier ways of communicating ideas. A side effect of this is commonly creating little ‘sub-cultures’ where they have their own ‘secret language’.

My beef is where we start splitting hairs between a changing language and a devolving language; I would say (if I had the authority) that a language is, at least in part, essentially evolving or devolving as far as it is becoming easier or harder to understand within it’s culture/context, respectively.

So from that perspective, I’d say when communicative ‘conventions’ develop, especially in a closed community, it can be a good thing, and rarely is a bad thing, as long as it makes it easier to communicate within that ‘language’s’ respective group. And visa versa: If a language’s developing conventions serve to make it less understandable, and only allow lazier speaking, it is as far as the community goes a ‘degradation’ of language.

Another way to look at things might be the distinction between a language and a code: For example, American Sign Language is a language, whereas braille is more of a code. Braille is expressed through a different media, and has its own conventions, it still is essentially a representation of English; whereas ASL has it’s own grammar (syntax) and even expresses most of it’s concepts differently (semantics) thus it is a language.

This situation might be similar in that, while we in the programming and gaming cultures might use ‘specialized’ language, it is still essentially english and helps us to explain concepts unique to us more easily; and thus the ‘degradation’ of the language into LOLspeak might be considered a different kind of code, if a badly written one.

(BTW that example is actually a pretty heated debate between actual ASL ‘authorities’ and non-; though I personally tend to lean towards the people who actually speak and make the language. That’s why I think this might be a similar debate, if less heated (Deaf people are proud of their culture, and the language they used to represent it).)

Now as far as what’s been said before… I agree that LOLspeak tends to represent a lack of reasoning behind what’s being said (or intended to be said…). I think it’s a very clever/funny but true observation, that because we tend to ‘pass over’ poorly written (and by this reasoning, likely poorly thought out) posts, it does serve as a natural quality control. However, on the whole I also think we have a very good standard here; programming might take a certain ability to think through things clearer, who knows.

I could go on for days like this… I get too deep into the theory of things like this. But I will say one thing - I’m one who doesn’t mind seeing, or using a certain amount. It doesn’t have to be formal English, just readable. Besides which, ‘LOL’ expresses a concept we don’t really have a concept for, you’d never type ‘I think that is really funny, so funny that I am willing to type a sentence to point that out to you.’ Or take the phrase, “You can say that again!” - you aren’t telling them to say it again. That would be annoying. It’s just a simpler way of saying, “That is a very true statement you just expressed. I agree with said statement.” In short, it sometimes serves to say more easily or understandably what you mean, especially when it’s a commonly expressed meaning.

Okay, I’m done.

EDIT: Wow, that’s longer than I meant it to be. I’m borderline to breaking the ‘rules’ in a completely different way… Sorry about that.

Well, it was perfectly readable; I hope you’re not giving in to the “tl;dr” crowd who won’t read anything past two sentences because of rampant ADD. :wink:

I dunno, some people seem to use it as punctuation to end a sentence. What’s wrong with “.”? It’s even shorter…

–Eric

LOL I agree.
See? I used it in the correct context. That’s what I mean; although it’s kind of hard sometimes, because as short-hand develops in a certain cultural ‘dialect’, particular words are used to mean pretty much everything; this is ok at first… but if it goes on too long it becomes meaningless, as people use it without even understanding what it means in the first place. But part of good writing/communication is never saying something you don’t understand, or mean. Examples: Dude. Awesome. Sweet. Sick. Cool. Dude. Amazing. (As you can see my pet peeves are the “that’s anything related to something like better than average!” replacements.)

Yeah, I’ve thought of that problem before. “Awesome” used to have a specific meaning (filled with awe), but now it just sort of means “that’s pretty neat”. So if you want to convey what the word originally meant, you have to say, “Like, dude, this is really, totally, filling me with awe, and I mean that, like, literally!” instead of just saying “Awesome”.

–Eric

P.S. Dude.

This is deemed to fail right from the start, “good english”, as there is none.
If were to set a standard it would be Cambridge english, but by that standard, you would get punched for days by americans and ausies cause they “fail to comply” too, also you would be wasting a lot of time hunting down users of “dunno”, “wanna” and alike :wink:

But I agree on the original intend.
But its normally no problem for two reasons:

  1. If someone expresses himself this way on the collab board, he will get flamed, crushed or just ignored for it, as nobody is going to work on a team project with someone who already sucks at basics like communications.
  2. If someone gets on your nuts with this writting style more than once, the new board has that cool ignore feature so you don’t have to read their cool 1337 speak ever after.
  3. This is a board, so nothing forces you to read it, just skip over to the next posting :wink:

no, blame the in teh webs

[Maybe this also is a good chance to point out how annoying the so far supported languages in Unity can be for people who care about elegant languages! Therefore, again, please add support for a more elegant and read-/writeable language like Ruby. These ;-languages can, beside of the bugs and some shortcomings, kill a lot of the fun using Unity.]