"Internet overuse may raise teens aggressivity"

q.e.d.?

Personally, I always thought newsgroups and forums to be a comparatively rough place. Just like mailing-lists. One person trolling around usually is enough to get things pretty out of balance and ugly. And I’m pretty sure it mostly has to do with feeling anonymous. It’s a matter of perceived freedom with lack of understood responsibility.

These forums here were an amazing example that something different is possible and I still think they are much better than most other places even though the wave of new users has had its effect. I think it’s kind of rare to find an “Internet place” of which you’d say it’s “warm and friendly” but that certainly was true for the Unity forums (and I think it’s still there in many conversations here - and I prefer to not focus too much on the others).

In general, I see two things happening at the same time right now (on a global scale - IMHO micro-systems are just representing macro-systems and the other way round):

a) people are going crazy because the pressure increases and they’re just incapable of holding that pressure and snap … that’s the ugly face of these times and it can be very extreme (and I’m sure this will still get much worse than it already is - a certain momentum has built into that direction and that still is increasing)

b) More and more people are waking up to alternative ways of being and acting - they realize what’s going on and simply step out of a) as much as possible. I think the extended family member of Dele illustrates that very nicely. Also, the success of Avatar illustrates that very nicely (people just wouldn’t go this crazy with that movie if it didn’t touch something in their hearts - even though not everyone may be fully aware of it and some might really just see the cool effects :wink: ). If you look around with open eyes, you’ll find plenty of examples of people and whole communities that are looking for and finding alternatives.

The good news in my point of view is that in the end, a) will fade and b) will remain. It’s not certain but likely enough to do one’s best to make it happen that way and not the other. It’s just a matter of taking care one doesn’t get too involved in a)

Being aware of it is fully sufficient: You can jump off that train and watch it but you can’t stop it. If you try to stop it, it’ll just run you over - what a waste! So it’s best to know where that train runs and move away from it, keeping an eye on it but focussing on what works.

There’s one very interesting aspect about evolution that most people are not aware of: Many people think it is competetive - and from a certain perspective it does look like that. However, the really fundamental steps in evolution happened not through competition but through cooperation: Atoms getting together to form molecules. Molecules getting together to form cells. Cells getting together to form organisms. Organisms getting together to form communities (packs, herds, tribes, whatever).

So now the question is whether these communities of humans that currently exist and rule this planet will be stupid enough to just to destroy each other (and everything else that’s living) - or whether they’re ready to take the next step in evolution and realize that actually this whole planet (including its inhabitants) is just one big “being”.

Unity FTW!!! 8)

You seem to be missing out on an important aspect of that. In humans, cooperation to form villages, then towns and cities arose for one reason. To protect themselves from that other group of folks that was trying to rape and pillage them, while trying to do the same.

Cooperation is simply a tool, not the end goal in and of itself. It’s still our nature to kill the other thing and eat it’s meat. Just like a pack of wild dogs. They cooperate, for the same reason.

For anything to think this angry internet is new, that a decade ago it was some sort of hippie commune with people passing out flowers, is delusional. Even back in the early 80’s days of BBS’, things weren’t much different than the worst Usenet newsgroup you can find.

It only seems more angrypants as there are more people on it.

Are you sure about that?

I am older, but I wasn’t around when civilization formed! That is what the cultural anthropologists believe though. It must be true, as I read it on the internet and saw it on TV.

Oh, okay … then I must have made a mistake and apologize. Of course we’re just monsters running around trying to kill and eat everything that’s not fast enough to run away (I mean that’s obvious if you look into a) - isn’t it?). :twisted:

We’re quite advanced and have developed tools to the point where we don’t need to chase the prey about. We press a button from a desk, launch a cruise missile and the other tribe’s town magically erupts into a fireball from hundreds of miles away!

But the basic motivations that caused those initial towns to form, yeah we’re still at the same game. You got what I want, I have a club. I win.

Oh well, through Unity, my friend, the game’s about to change:

I’ve got something to give. Enjoy!

NO YOU SHALL NOT!

If you do the unthinkable and replace the competition in your awesome tron game with a cooperative mode I’ll never forgive you!

The problem with that basic motivation was that the world was elementally different.

For 100 years+ we don’t have the “community vs community with a lot of harsh wilderness inbetween” world anymore.
We are civilized, high technology being, no longer controlled by the nature surrounding us but trying to control it in a global scale.
Independent of how it worked the “good old days”, this kind of attitude will definitely no longer work if we intend to not destroy us ourself in the next few decades.

If we follow the way we currently are following as mankind, there is no question about the mankind ending, granted before we reach start travel technology.

I’m even going a step further to say that the mankind will end the day where oil gets short if the view on the world and the assholism don’t get solved among the higher ranked politics and military.
Don’t know which from the “war driving” nations will start it, be it of the “bad war driver” side (russia, china, pakistan, korea) or be it on the global police for oil side (usa, uk), but I am 100% confident that they will start it with the current, not rarely sadly completely sick view on “moral”, “right” and “truth”.

I also disagree with Einstein: I’m sure we won’t do a 4th world war with sticks and stones, there won’t be any non-deep subaquatic life anymore once the WW3 has ended.

MUAHUAHUA … that has happened a long time ago :wink:

I mean, as much as I liked the movie - what’s the point in having others run into a wall of light that you’ve created?

The good news: You’ll still be able to play the first few levels as competetively as you wish (it just won’t get you beyond those basic levels). And, I’m also considering quarterly championships … but even those will eventually transform into a cooperation of all players against the mighty evil time itself (Kali forgive me; I was just kidding :sunglasses: ). <replace:“evil time itself” → “Our great beloved friend time”>

I think you’re overdramatizing things.

The nuclear powers actually capable of global devastation are currently so deeply intertwined into each other’s economies as to eliminate the possibility of war, let alone nuclear conflict.

Yeah China is a horrible country, they slaughtered hundreds of their own with machine guns at tienneman square. The United States could foreseeably get into a scrap and take them out over something like Tibet or Taiwan.

But if that were to occur, instantly every store shelf in the USA would be devoid of products and everyone in China would be out of a job.

What you need to worry about is a total nutcase country like Iran or North Korea, or a totally unstable one like Pakistan actually using a nuclear weapon. But that’s only a threat to their immediate neighbors, not the nuclear powers. It would be a regional conflict and not result in total annihilation.

Yep. Penn and Teller have a nice little episode about this:

Bring back the PVP!

I just isn’t the same shouting “OWNT IN THE FACE SCRUB” when beating someone else’s time by 2 seconds.

You and Jessey are corrupting games with this wretched friendliness!

I blame the tofu! Eat a few of these and you will see the light!

discuss.

ROTFL, literally :slight_smile:

After eating 3 steaks for dinner yesterday and a full pig for breakfast this morning, I can tell: Quietus is RIGHT. I’ve seen the LIGHT (well, the Dark One):
Now who can I pick up a little fight with? C’mon you lazy COWARDS, show up! NOW! Lemme smash your faces with words that hurts like bricks’n’kicks in your belly of jelly [grammatical errors placed intentionally - there’s nothing better than a little typo-war, show me where I mistyped something so I can fight back and show you where you made a little mistake]. Speaking of belly … I wonder where that terrible belly-ache is coming from??? Ain’t got no clue??? WTF??? :roll:

More seriously, though: It’s true - I have found a correlation with people eating more meat also being more aggressive (I have two people in my highly scientific study, one woman and one man - so it was certified to be representative and IT MUST BE THE TRUTH). Anyways, in case there really was such a correlation (which I do consider quite possible) that would be one reason why maybe in times where there’s not so much point in running over to the next village wit yo homees and beating everyone up, meat-consumption might not really be the smartest thing anymore? Oh well, let’s rather not start that discussion :wink:

Very seriously, I agree with dreamora: It really is time for people to get over this territorial bullshit (seems like today, territory is measured by virtual digits in off-shore bank-accounts - times change, right!?)

And speaking of PvP: I will have some of that in my next game - but it will be “from a different angle” :wink: … and besides, I’m more than one year behind schedule with Traces of Illumination, and that was meant to be “simple”. RaMtiGA is “ambitious by design”. So I’m not sure I’ll get to publish RaMtiGA before 2012 … more likely might be 2023 or so (volunteers SPEAK UP NOW) :wink:

Anyways, if things go terribly wrong and it does end, I doubt that will be abruptly. From a pessimistic point of view, there will be some point (in not so distant time) of no return - and if that line is crossed with the wrong balance between a and b, there’s probably another 50 or 100 years (very very unpleasant years … globally). Even if things go well I think it’ll take a few generations until Unity-goodness has really spread all over the world; from some illnesses you simply don’t recover quickly.

Unity FTW!!! NOW!!!

Neville Chamberlain has already announced peace in our time. The war to end all wars has already been fought and won back in 1917. The league of nations and the united nations have ushered in a new age of peace and cooperation. Didn’t you get the memo?

You are right in one sense, that wars these days between the powers are being fought with those virtual bits and monopoly monies. President O’Blahblah met with the dali lama yesterday. China threatened to sell some of our T-bills to teach us a lesson!

That sounds very much like the predictions back in the early 70’s, that the Earth had reached it’s sustainability limit in terms of population and we were all soon gonna starve to death!

The fact is, through human history we’re always seemingly going to die and it’s always predicted to be just around the corner!

But none of your predictions 50 years off matter a hill of beans, Jashan! Quetzalcoatl is coming in 2012 to eat the planet. Of course as with a mutual fund, past performance is no predication of future performance. SO HE VERY WELL COULD!

Nah, I’m afraid missed that one. Possibly I was AFK at that time (long-term memories are returning unpleasantly slowly, so I can’t say for sure … yet) :wink:

Yup … that’s one of the ways this stuff gets done. Unfortunately, not all “strange people” (I’ll try to avoid judgement as much as possible :wink: ) are in possession of such comparatively clean weapons and some might still resort to significantly more ugly forms of violence :frowning:

I personally think that there will always be enough - no matter how many people there are on this planet. The question is just how people deal with the situation and how well the resources are being distributed. With greed being the primal force driving people there’s never enough, even if there’s only two of them. In fact, even if there’s only one greedy person alone on this huge planet, owning it all (and more), it will STILL not be enough.

I know I know: That’s trivial because it is the very definition of greed but that doesn’t invalidate the point I’m trying to make … one of the main problems I see in this world is that some things are just so obvious that almost everyone misses them almost all of the time. The good thing is that every problem can be a blessing. It keeps time moving forward :wink:

I’ve heard rumors on the Interwebs (and maybe on TV) that feeding one person with meat costs about as much as feeding ten people without meat. Hm … seems like there’s more reasons for a diet with less (or without) meat than avoiding orally inducing aggression (no not again - that damned TROLL, will they resist the temptation!? :wink: this one will return, so no worries).

Well, you know … for almost all the people that’s the truth almost all the time. What are 100 years? And not so many people are even up to that short time-span. If you happen to die at 72 3/4 and already are 40 1/2, the end of the world is near. It’s just a mere 32 1/4 years. Zipp, blink of an eye - and you’re gone. Into the unknown void. Whoa - scaaaarryyy. The apocalypse is near.

I guess most people simply can’t distinguish between “my life ends” and “the world ends”. And the ironic thing is: To the individual it doesn’t even really make a difference. At least until one takes into consideration that potentially one life ending might be another life starting even when it seems as if the canvas was blank at first. What if you consider the possibility to be born right into the mess you left behind when you died? Hehe, might even be more scary than just disappearing into nothingness. Might also induce a different kind of responsibility. The cool thing is it would also work the other way round: What if what you leave behind is the best you could do to get to paradise? … and if it’s paradise that you’re leaving behind - potentially you decide you’d rather stay right away.

In any case, the future will be what we make it - and that’s determined by our actions right now; and that’s the way it will be … … for eternity. Of course, there are critical masses of individuals taking certain kinds of actions towards the one or other directions - but I certainly don’t want to be that one person that’s been missing to tilt the whole system.

Whether we like it or not. Some things just don’t ever change.

And in any case: It’s best to be properly prepared. At least for the end of the world as we know it. Because it is inevitable. Some things just don’t ever stop changing (and some changes come in bigger bursts than others - but of course, I don’t know if or when that will happen the next time) :wink:

Psssst … don’t tell anyone. He’s my elder brother. Everything will be alright. But just don’t tell anyone, kkprettyplease??? :wink:

We were just spreading those rumors so people would leave so we’d have more room and fun when the Golden Age finally arrives at this funny little place (@ 2012 1/2 + 42 - 23, potentially). I know I know, terribly egoistical, terribly egoistical. How could we know anyone would ever find out and blame [the] US?

Anyways, to our very surprise our plan didn’t work out and now EVERYONE in this whole Universe tries to be here “in time”. Seems like some like to suffer, and some seems to be more than we thought. Especially those hitchhiking astral-buggers can be extremely annoying at times. Go away, there’s nothing to see here! Nothing special happening, hey I heard over there at Alpha Centauri there’s a big party for your kind :sunglasses:

And yes: We could (well, he could better than I could but I felt I could and needed to make myself appear a bit bigger by publicly associating myself with my brother-in-law … btw … who’s that Quetzalcoatl you’re talking about, did I miss something!?!?) :wink:

I like this thread :slight_smile:

Greed is at the heart of the competitive nature and what gives us innovation and advances society. If nobody were greedy then things would come to a grinding halt.

Of course the silly socialists in my country are trying their darnedest to breed the competitive spirit out of an entire generation.

We have these ‘outcome based education’ experiments where no matter how horrible you are in school you can’t ever fail. Instead of a big “F” the worst grade you can get a “Johnny did good and is a nice boy!”

They even have baseball leagues for children where “everybody wins” and it’s illegal to keep score. Wtf?

I sure can’t wait to see those kids to grow up, then step out of their artificially created love-bubble. “Mom, why am I so woefully unprepared for life? There’s a guy at work who’s actually trying harder than me!”

That would be the end of the human race, Jashan. Women tend to avoid breeding with men who leave green streaks in their underwear. Known fact!

As for the rest of your post, I’m afraid I cannot respond to it. My world has ended. Quetzocotyl evidently came early. Instead of a cosmic feathered snake god he fell upon me in the form of a HUGE WALL OF TEXT and crushed my very soul! I am dead…