Linux? Passé?

Though I currently use Linux, I am formerly a Windows user. I try to maintain a platform-agnostic mindset, because I do not believe that, at some weird philosophical level, we should be judged or defined by our choice in operating system. I would also like to believe that our personal choice of OS is beginning to matter less and less.

Regarding the clear benefits and much clearer drawbacks from diverting energy toward “full/native/whatev” Linux support, I understand where each side is coming from, but I find it troubling (after searching a bit through these and other forums) how both sides ultimately rely upon generalizations and hearsay to make their points.

I will not exactly quote the commentary directed at the imaginary, homogeneous, group that apparently represents all Linux users. …suffice to say, we do not all look the same, smell the same and do not all have poor fashion sense. (We are not all Richard Stallman, thank you very much) We are not all freeloaders, either; I pay for the products that are not free and donate to the free projects which I find useful.

So please, while I should ignore such statements, it hurts just a little bit to know that some people (who are obviously otherwise super intelligent) have made the decision to disregard a group of people, based purely on their own narrow-mindedness and introverted beliefs, that would seem to have very little to do with the topic at hand. It’s got to be some sort of -ism at work - “OSism”, perhaps. The problem of Linux support should be about the viability of the technologies; not about the personalities of the people using them and what you happen to think of them as a group.

That said, it is plainly obvious that some of the… ahem… less-informed Linux advocates are wandering in here, their heads in the clouds, demanding outlandish things, because they don’t understand what an enormous undertaking and investment such a change would require. Maybe it’s a result of that perceived “free-or-not-to-be”, attitude, maybe it’s something else… I don’t think it’s anything we can know for sure. :sweat_smile: … but I think that people should be treated the same, regardless of OS. If they’re asking plainly stupid questions (there is such a thing) Give em the ol’ brush-off and ignore em… they will go away and you can get on with your day. Beyond the individual offender, there is no reason to seek out some greater whole, at which to take jabs.

The way I see it, each operating system has a certain ratio of freeloaders. Hell, do just a cursory search on this forum; you can quickly find people here mention the ease of just “downloading XP” to use Unity virtually. Hello? Illegal? How is this any better than the perceived understanding that Linux users somehow want everything for free? By that logic, most Windows users are pirates; WRONG.

Whether you think an OS is “fashionable” should not matter. I respect Unity’s business-minded decisions, because like any company, you must profit to survive. I would just like to see a greater attempt to see people, simply as potential customers. (albeit, an uncertain potential, far down the proverbial road…) Putting people down, simply because it’s easy, is evil.

Sorry if I’ve offended anyone, but some of the attitudes here pretty clearly indicate that there is slightly more to the Linux issue than simply the monetary and technological obstacles. :frowning:

I don’t really have a question, because I understand the basic ins-and-outs of this whole schpeal… I’ll love you and pay you if/when the time comes… and I’ll totally understand if it never does. These are the breaks.

My god, I dont think people care which OS you use (except of course apple who wont let you create IPhone games without it). That oil rig that failed was using a Windows PC :smile:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179595/Tech_worker_testifies_of_blue_screen_of_death_on_oil_rig_s_computer

I know you’re trying to make a few points here, which I’ve understood all of them, but I think I see you’re trying to justify having Linux as a supported OS for Unity? So… That being said, I’ll inform you of the reason why the great Gods of Unity can’t/won’t do it.

Unity is a greatly increasing tool for developers and artists alike who want to create a game or video or what have you. Formerly they had Unity as a Mac only program because the creators used Macs and not a Windows supported computer. They realized that after a while that they should have Unity on the PC platform because there are a great deal of people who wanted it on PC. That’s why it’s on both PC and Macs. Now we get to Linux supported computers. Linux is a pretty good OS, don’t get me wrong, but the amount of people who want the ability to use Unity properly for Linux isn’t very big compared to the amount of Mac and PC users. I’d say the ratio is probably 4:2:0.3 Windows being first, Macs second and Linux third. You see what I’m saying here?

It’s like if they were owners of a store and want to expand. They would open another store in a city, or some town with like 200,000 people. They wouldn’t open one in a town where it has less than 1500 people. You see what I’m saying? It’s not so much an “OS-ism” as it is a general knowledge thing. Not very many people know about Linux and how to use it, or the bugs/pros and cons of it like a Windows or Mac OS. Don’t feel like it’s hate; feel like it’s a misunderstanding. Not everyone is keen on trying new things so their knowledge base isn’t exactly as wide as someone who has. :wink:

Simple really, Unity is targeted to gaming platforms and platforms that make game development easy. Linux for all it’s benefits it’s a huge headache to support, the number of configurations is mindnumbing, it’s used by a tiny tiny tiny minority (yes, even compared to OSX it is miniscule) and that gets even smaller once you remove the server rooms, and it’s potential as a gaming platform is as such extremely limited. The market for games on desktop Linux is also (for similar reasons) shall we say - limited.

Now having said all that, when the day comes that some large studios start approaching Unity asking for Linux support, then I’m sure they will consider the option, though it may be purely for those studios via a private contract. Till then the only Linux support you’re likely to get is very specific versions on mobile devices and gaming platforms where the distribution is a complete package with a substantial userbase and factors such as graphics drivers and supporting many different hardware and driver configurations doesn’t come into it.

There’s a lot to be said for the strength of feeling and attachment Linux users have to their OS of choice, but in practical terms to reach the largest possible gaming audience with the minimal outlay and with the best possible development tools then it’s hard to justify it against the economics of Windows and VS for right now.

Unity pro license: $1500
Windows license: $99
Realising that your o/s is just an enabler (and you can have more than one): Priceless.

:twisted:

Realizing that you think 99$ is a lot of money: Priceless.

For everything else, there’s Mastercard

you’re getting native client support in Chrome, which afaik will run on Linux. Then there’s Android. Are you saying you want the IDE to run on Linux?

I’m sorry your feelings have been hurt somehow, but I don’t see any Linux-hating around here. Free software is a beautiful thing - Blender is my right arm. And you may have noticed that standard Unity is free. But that does not stop people from complaining about it.

At least with Chrome, there will be the basis of web browser support on Linux which is a start. I would say give Linux another 5-10 years and you might see some more talk of Unity being ported. Linux is still young compared to the other OS’s. I know you will say its been around since the dawn of Unix and Windows, but really feature wise and ease of use/support wise, its very young compared to Windows and Mac. Give it time. Clearly it is gaining popularity and becoming a strong OS for the common user. It’s not a matter of if, but when Linux becomes adopted by large game companies and consumers.

Also, with chrome being open source it opens the possibility for the adoption of the chrome base for creating stand alone games so you can compile games to Linux. That is of course if that is possible and if the Unity team finds it feasible.

Unity does support Linux: Android is fundamentally a heavily-customised and controlled Linux distro.

“Linux” isn’t an operating system: it’s a component used in operating systems. Unfortunately, every single distro has its own way of doing things—its own GUI, its own directory structure, its own choice of components and libraries, its own installer software… you name it. No two Linux distros are identical.

Supporting all Linux distros is a lose-lose option. There isn’t much of a potential market, support costs would skyrocket, and most of the tiny number of commercial desktop computers sold with a Linux distro are at the very low end of the market—hardly ideal for running games in the first place.

Until Linux fans get behind just one or two distributions, full support for “Linux” is extremely unlikely. The market is just too fragmented.

If you’re going to buy a Unity license, which the op implies, then $99 for a Windows license is not a lot of money. People set themselves up with Macs just for Unity not so long ago.

you are the first one I met the past decade at university and after who finally realized that Linux as it stands wouldn’t be bad at all but that the scattered unfocused so called “support” for it, is digging its grave for any commercial or wide spreading outside geek-city (for desktop usage, for server its a different story :slight_smile: )

Out of my view, something like Mandriva is the most realistic platform to push ahead, cause they support all RPM and DEB and have realized that good drivers, a solid user oriented experience, a enduser friendly and customer support is more important than open source and “we are better as we do it ourself” attitudes.

You’re implying that because 99$ is not a lot of money, that buying a Mac justifies not paying 99$? That’s absurd.

Yes, yes it is.

My brain hurts. :cry:

He basically said instead of paying 99$ because you own a PC, that you should spend 2000$ on a new Mac computer. What he fails to mention is that a PC costs 2/3 the price of a Mac and is still more compatible with a shit load of stuff. I’m not trying to start a flame war, but that argument is ridiculous. If you have a side to your argument, make sure it makes sense.

You guys don’t seem to be understanding this sentence at all. What it means is, Unity was Mac-only. People bought Macs only because they wanted to use Unity. Even for PC game development. The price of a Windows license, which will run on the machine you already use Linux on, is much less than the price of a Mac.

Was that so hard? 8)

actually, that is not what he said at all. What he said was [quote=“”]
People set themselves up with Macs just for Unity not so long ago.
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Unity used to be available only on mac, not on windows. Alric is saying that not so long ago (under 2 years even), there were individuals who probably purchased macs for the purpose of developing with unity. He’s pointing out how inexpensive 99$ is, compared to what some people would have had to do in the past. Not once does he say it would be a good idea to “spend 2000$ on a new Mac”.

edit: I’m too slow; Jessy pointed it out first :slight_smile:

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Point taken Jessy, thanks for clearing that up. I guess I misunderstood.