Panic about Ai coding is almost replacing us, dev, coder, artists

[tleylan]

I wanted to post a bit about MS Copilot in particular and picked this thread to resurrect because it is more or less on topic. My earlier messages were pretty negative about AI assistance with coding but I’ve been using Copilot more often and I have to say the experience has been generally positive.

Just so we are clear I see no future where AI suddenly codes everything and (if so) why stop at coding why wouldn’t it just diagnose medical problems, do your bookkeeping, choose compatible mates, etc.? There are clearly limits imposed by choices… not everything is black and white and how best to code something depends upon situations that an AI system cannot reasonably know about.

Still 4 or 5 times now I have looked for answers to questions and found generally poor and incomplete answers so I asked Copilot. In the hands of a coder it is a very nice assistant as I can get a simple working example. Then refine it and then refine it more. In the end I can use that code as the basis for my solution using what I’ve learned as a guide.

“What I’ve learned” is an important part of the process as the iterative mechanism provides what humans could but rarely do in these support groups. It patiently showed me the steps from “it works” to “it works like I want”. Again humans could but you can see how many questions never get answered, answered incorrectly or answered rudely.

Copilot wasn’t rude and in the end I got a better understanding of the problem and solution. I can see this tech being quite useful for lots of things, not “everything” but some things. It is up to the individual to determine where and when to use the tool and when to accept the solution provided.

You aren’t required to implement every VS IntelliSense suggestion and you don’t have to use what an AI code generator produces.

It’s a tool

[boyaregames]

Well it is. I am a member of a unity chat group in telegram and there is not much but exist those who made small games with only AI without c# knowledge

[spiney199]

This is one of those “I’ll believe it when I see it” moments.

And making a tiny micro game hardly counts. As soon as they move onto anything more than that, AI will be useless and they’ll have no supporting knowledge to figure things out on their own.

[unitedone3D]

Hi there! Just a 2 cents. TL DR: AI is here to stay, we have to get used to it; see it as a tool to help/speed things, (for some, they see it an hindrance…because faster/can DIY faster than the AI can or the AI introduces problems…ok; for the rest (less able), AI could help you even if it is not perfect).

I think the panic is a bit overblown; though, somewhat, justified; people have founded fears…of being replaced (their jobs). After reading the comments… I’m seeing something…I don’t like that. It’s a sort of ‘if you can’t code…f u, you’re an asset flipp fraud’…this, sht… needs to stop. It’s not good. It’s ok and understandable/reasonable to expect that people learn the craft…to be good at it and make games. Totally. Everybody…knows, that someone with tons of experience, coding knowleged etc…probably, will make a better game because they have that going for them. Does this mean - others - can’t make games?..because too incompetent, did not learn the craft…

Stop it.

There is this ‘elitism’ going on, especially with coders and whatnot…some think they are the gift of god (that keeps on giving)/2nd coming of christ. In other words…‘get over yourself’. It’s no good; vanity and ego…no. So many narcissists that will tell you ‘‘you can’T code/you can’t speak My language, learn it…or die.’’. Sorry, some of us…are not so excited hearing/reading this.

As for AI having ‘source’ material ‘to learn’ from…to excel. Wel, again, that’s the whole thing…this industry–elitism, closed door ‘club’…like the shaman from the past…who, only, him knew the langauge/esoteric bs…everybody elese was ignorant.

So…democratism…of something; we come to that; the industry tried to democratize video game development; a good thing. But, yes…lots of trash/poor games end up made ‘flooding steam with asset flips’. IT’s a free market; you can Try, to sell it…but, likely, won’t cause no one will pay (for ‘slop’ as they say – souless/creativeless/morally-broke ‘AI slop’; here we go again, with the ‘morals/ethics’ of game deve making (how about, no.). That’s the dillema, if these people want it to remain ‘secret’ elitist club, esoteric and ‘private’…that’s ok. This data wil never be out there ‘in public’ therefore AI can never learn and do anything; improve. So, no, the AI is not the problem…it,s the people/mindset.

There was an engine/game dev editor…on Playstation…forgot what it was called…oh yes now remember; it was called ‘Dream’ editor…or something; in this game developer editor…you could make games with it. It has NO coding withsoever…none. 0 and a bar. It has rather like UE5 Unreal Engine, it has ‘blueprints’ or ‘visual nodes’ that you use to ‘talk/communicate’ to the computer/engien…what you want it to do; instead of C++++ language… so, this is what is happening, some people want to make games, but making games immense endeavor; thus, on a smaller scale…and with faster means,and Less people. On the cheap, fast. The Dream editor…some people made games with it – solid, or decent…they could make it. if you wanna say they are ‘modders/codemonkeys/cobblers’…well, ok; but , they made somethin…you keep crying/coping. They made a game. In the end, gamers does not give 1 c…if you speak C++, chinese, XYZ…or whatever; is if you made a game, a good one - with whatever tool. Like AI.
That’ why I’m against this ‘anti-AI’ stance, so prevalent…is there bs…made with that; yes; it will not become succes; rather; it is a tool for skilled people to ‘add’ to their toolshed. The saying it: adapt…or be left behind. AI is here, to stay; we have to adapt to this new reality…there will be some losses…but some gains. It’s not perfect. It’s also why I don’t like Steam banning AI or forcing you to slap ‘AI’ on your gam…because you used it…yet now over 50% of large companies see/use AI…because games are all about money/capitalism…making them on the cheap/fastest; time = money = time. Thanks for reading. 2.c

[Murgilod]

Haven’t you been told like a bunch of times to stop making these rambling “just a 2 cents” posts?

[tleylan]

I also would like to see real-world examples.

People aren’t worried that someone will generate a game using AI. If it blows up regularly (or not) it doesn’t matter. They are justifiably worried that it could be used to generate important software used in risky situations. And perhaps worse than merely “used” but actually trusted beyond a level typically afforded an individual or group because “it is AI”.

I have never heard about the level of effort required for anything significant. So when someone does generate the next text editor using AI how long did it take? What level of expertise was required by the person telling it what it wanted? If they want a plug-in architecture do you say “make it a plug-in architecture” and instantly it works?

[lyudmila_unity]

This November Google releases the last update and SEO requirements for sites will become more anti-AI.
Now I am writing content for my website and I know if I write it by myself and use my language style - it will be 90%-100% unique. But if I write a prompt for AI, get AI-generated text, check it by anti-AI AI, and then use AI to humanize it I shall spend more time, put in more effort, and get a result more or less similar. But I shall not save any time at all. So I am sure that all this mess will need human control and handling. So no panic! We are on board!

[hifron_ax]

maybe make a prototype to speed up development, but for a successful business(es) in game industry there is more needed, skills are only part of game budget and even development is more cumbersome than just work with editor. And know what to ask even AI is not the answer for game, only plummeting with games count with bugs or counting made dollars with profit or loss on the horizont and enjoyability of the ever changing game (and business) is in the process of unknown when industry is in the void of successful developers and game/industry companies behind them…