Looks like Shiva is offering a 60% discount to Torque users with valid license, is unity going to offer something similar (I remember them doing that when another engine closed down is the past)?
Yeah I saw Leadwerks doing the same thing and offering a 50% discount if you have one of the newer Torque licenses.
I wonder if Unity will be doing their big christmas/new year discount again. That was a good deal last year.
Wonder if my Torque Game Builder Licence counts as a Valid License?
How do you know my valid license?
They say that “all versions” are valid.
I hope that Stonetrip doesn’t whine about crappy Torque like Leadwerks did.
Anyway looking forward in a curious way to Shiva V2 next year. The no additional or exorbitant costs for additional publishing options is the way things should work.
Basically all technology middleware providers aside of UT are doing such offers at the time. I think C4 started it, the others reacted.
I think thats the first time that I was really happy about owning my T3D Pro license … 
FWIW DX Studio is also offering a discount for -any- competitive engine user.
Let the war begin.
Last year Unity started it with the free license, this year someone else … 
Can only be good for us
It doesn’t need a war, just some healthy consolidation and real competition.
Otherwise most vendors somehow tend to get ignorant, greedy and lazy.
Some folks on the Torque forums were quite irate about Stonetrip. Evidently there’s a big “Torque is dead!” popup banner when you visit the site.
Shiva being a French company will surrender in short order.
I think offering a reasonable discount is interesting for both sides, for the vendor of a certain alternative technology as well as for the users who might be stuck with a discontinued product. But you have to do it in a reasonable way. The way Leadwerks did it, to my ears, sounded too much after, just getting a piece of the new baked customer cake. Dishing the product on the other side also isn’t the way to go.
The golden line is in between. You might have a problem, we might have a solution, here is our offer and you’re welcome…
PS: Although as a private person i can dish Torque as much as i want because i always thought and wrote that it’s rubbish. :O)
I just visited their site and If there was such a banner, there isn’t any more. The banner that I saw just noted that a discount was being offered.
I would like unity to offer me a discount simply because I managed to resist choosing torque, shiva , UE3 ,C4, … and always keept my faith in Unity. I was cheating a bit on Unity with BGE, but this does not count. No hardcore involved, just occasional dating
That is who the pre-order discount was for
To be honest i think i’ll save my money and get the Unity Pro Version. Unity has better documentation and tutorials.
never saw the banner and I went there only short after the popup happened too.
also if you own advanced and are logged in you don’t even see the popup.
I personally filled and updated my tech pack thanks to these nice little offers with those engines (C4, Leadwerks, Shiva Advanced) that at their regular price were just too high for “potential usage” and I’m sure I’m not the only one taking using the opportunity
I’ve not much left to buy at unity after all my 2.x licenses and addons are already on U3 pro, only unity android and android just isn’t a viable enough platform and the unity build sizes are a good reason to make an even larger curve around it as the max android market sizes and unity build sizes are nemesis until unity gets Plan B rolling so we can get rid of mono.
Especially not at the price it costs and given the fact that I own Shiva advanced which cost me due to Torque half of what unity android pro on its own costs.
I will naturally stick with Unity but its never a good idea to focus on a single thing and forget the rest, not if you make your living as freelancer at least (as all torque only freelancers likely could tell you now, given there ever were any)
That’s the main reason that keeps me undecided. I’ve been evaluating Unity and my trial pro just expired. I love it. I love how fast I find a solution googleing, on in the answers site or here on the forum. But I’ve heard of Shiva and we know, the price is quite compelling. I’m a hobbyist, so spending US$1500 + US$1500 + US$1500 to get a game on iPhone and Android is very different than spending €$169. Then I started to evaluate Shiva a couple of days ago.
Pros:
- Much cheaper
- Editor modularity and desktops are very nice
- Script editor is mega nice
- Lua / C++ are a plus - these are standard languages in game development, and I really like Lua
- Much cheaper
Cons:
- No editor on linux (well, Unity also doesn’t support, but this would be decisive for me)
- Editor modularity is confusing at first
- Less documentation and tutorials and community resources
- Getting started is more intimidating as I tend to use google all the time when I’m learning something, and there are far less resources on the web
These last cons are huge Unity advantages of course. But I’ll only make a decision after I spend the same time with Shiva as I’ve spent with Unity.
@moraes - I’ve just started with Shiva and also find the editor to be backwards compared to Unity, but that’s just a matter of what I’m used to. One other Con I would add is that it uses ODE physics and I really want the most accurate physics engine I can get. I know that now with Shiva 1.9 anyone can add their own physics engine (like Havok or Bullet), I just wished someone would hurry up and do it!