Unity CEO John Riccitiello "Sony F***ing Nailed It

So, are we just posting videos now?

Okay then:

My point: This is spam. They guy made a link then left without adding ANYTHING to the post or the thread. And he’s been doing it a lot.

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That was my impression, too.

Depends on perspective (and then vs now). There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but at the time of the format war Bluray was unable to produce dual layer disks. Both disk types were blue laser but they used a different data density. HDDVD was the same as regular DVD so there was less storage space, but the manufacture of the disk was better and the protective coating thicker. Bluray required a thinner protective coating and much more susceptible to scratches. They did produce a harder coating to mitigate that but it is what makes the manufacture (and price) of Bluray disks more expensive.

Edit: HDDVD also had the capability to use both sides of the disk, support for more codes and was region free. It did come at a slower transfer rate though. In the end it’s about 6 of one, half dozen of the other, it just depends on what features are the most compelling and Sony was able to market more effectively which is one reason Bluray won out.

Bluray had dual layer and additional formats from nearly the beginning, so those weren’t actually advantages HDDVD had during the format war. The only thing they were able to push was the price (and being region free, forgot about that). Not that I actually own a Bluray player, or HDDVD for that matter, so I’m not sure why I care. :wink: It was interesting to follow at the time. (But it was kind of a hollow victory since online distribution ate into the market quite a bit.)

It’s not spam. Spam has a pretty specific definition, and “posting a video with no explanation” isn’t at all what that is. I’d certainly prefer that people not do it, but we don’t seem to have any actual rules against it.

–Eric

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I’d say it’s bad form but not spam. It would be spam if he was the owner of the channel and would be promoting it in versious sub forums at once, I think. :slight_smile:

Either way @angrypenguin - I’ve bought my PS3 only a year ago and I’ve noticed that in fact I do use it more as a media station and BluRay player than for the console itself. Personally I’d still prefer the PlayStation to XBox. That’s more beacuse Microsoft showed in the early stages of XBOne’s release where they are heading in the long rund and what they want to implement about DRM and control mechanisms. And that doesn’t sit very well with me. Despite the changes nack to a more traditional approach … for now. MS showed that they rather have a control console and I don’t like that. I’m all for making people buy instead of pirate but I think draconic DRM (which is a term I rarely use but I think is justified in the origional design) is the wrong approach to it. I’d stay with Sony as well if only my personal opinion as a gamer mattered.
(I’d also stay with Nintendo but we’ll have to see what they are coming up with after the WiiU.)

Microsoft are doing a lot of things right lately. And I really do have respect for them as a company. And I think the XBox controllers are the best gamepads for the PC - period.The XBOne though … not a favorite of mine.

@Eric5h5 @angrypenguin actually the bestestest technology would be a video player that could play the data in Sony’s super dense storage tapes.

Sounds like he’s upset more by MS recent plan to cooperate with other major gaming engines than any failure of MS regarding Xbox One.

While the world is busy telling MS what to do, I think MS should update and price the Xbox One as a 4K capable BR player as expand the online market of Fire TV and Apple TV type devices in gaming. That’s a place were GooglePlay or Apple App have no large presence. They do need to cleanup the curation of the Windows Store though to leverage that. And they need to see about repacking their big game hits to by downloadable or at least easy to order online from the Xbox and shipped. There is a big market for nutrition and fitness logs and activities they missed out on that their SW engineers should have had no problem creating a competent set of applications with comprehensive curated databases for the Xbox one and other Windows devices that smoothly integrate across all Windows HW. The calendar is still being used as a boring business type event planner when it could be used to integrate with fitness, education, school and what all the tablet and mobile call notifications - but instead of the insipid game app notifications this concept is poorly utilized for now they could enable the creation of private family or school notification groups with planned and completed activities showing up on a Xbox One central calendar switchboard. A bit like those post-it note reminders and such. None of these concepts is new but shows that despite of this talk of cross platform integration, SW developers seem to almost obtusely ignore integrating across devices. Job security I guess. Who is the US or Greece doesn’t need a competent budget planner and why isn’t that integrated with nutrition planning, utilities and bill planning, and all their other bills? Why isn’t something like automobile maintenance and health maintenance integrated?

There are all these basic human needs that are ignored by Microsoft, Apple, and Google compared to the entertainment choices they unoriginally keep throwing up against the wall hoping it’ll stick. By now as consumer oriented companies they should have smoothly integrated budget, nutrition, sports, safety, and other apps addressing basic human needs integrated into a notification responsive calendar. With online shopping now why haven’t they cooperated with retailers like WalMart and allow one to plan their grocery shopping online and then be presented with a list to printed out to go pick up & pay for while integrating that activity with a budget and nutrition app? It’s as simple as designing a standard product writeup such that a shopping app can pull the information and use it locally. Look at WalMart and you’ll see that the information is there but not in a standard way to be downloaded and reused locally. The receipt can be scanned in after paying at home to preserve price competition. Why aren’t things like a simple protocol for schools to communicate homework and exam expectations to parents so that the parents can sync those expectations locally and privately note and track their children’s progress?

MS is already in every school and business but grew fat being overly reliant on Office. For all the talk of integration and innovative they haven’t been in straightforward ways that matter. They already have access what are they waiting for?

Yes, entertainment is ultimately the lifestyle differentiator with which they can make huge profit margins but they address basic human needs management so incompetently they leave a huge market that would like competent assistance untapped. Even as I type this message my browser has slowed down such that I count the seconds between key presses and when the letter shows up in the browser. With one tab open.

More than 20 years into the web and still they are trying turn it into how many ads can you squeeze onto a page rather than solving the problems at hand. Address and solve the problem at hand and then use advertising to support and complement it.

MS made the right choice for their customers and business and will grow from there. Much as Unity can’t be a games
only engine and ever hope for any good growth, which by the way they aren’t attempting to find a hardware division - MS choosing it’s growth it’s specialization of the software business and Sony chooses it’s growth in the specialization of the hardware business.

It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of JR of what Sony and Microsoft are as businesses and his use of swear words is indicative of that.

Its worked so far.

Unity has been a non-games-only-engine for many years. Used for architecture, simulations, etc.

–Eric

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And increasingly education.

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I want to teach a unity class after I’ve got the experience for it.

SW is increasing created as increasingly sophisticated frameworks such that it’s use increasing relegated to subject matter experts. That’s why Unity has great potential and the interest in the education market, not because the SW engineering arcana on which it’s built.

Look at online education businesses like BlackBoard and see how a network of subject matter teaching experts basically created the educational content BlackBoard uses as part of their government jobs that the BlackBoard business owners just sit back and rakes in the cash for administering.

It’ll be interesting to see what comes out on top for sure. My school uses BlackBoard for some things, but the game dev program is also getting more classes every semester.

I agree the Sony really played it smart this round. What compelling reason would a gamer have for getting an XBox One instead of a PS4 at this point in time?

The only thing about the XBox One that excited me was the announcement that every XBox One would be able to become a dev kit. However, even that has yet to materialize.

If the exclusive games they want are on the XBox One.

This was me with the early Halo series.

So far the new Star Wars Battlefront is only displaying the PS4 logo in trailers, so it looks like I might switch for my next console purchase.

Gamers don’t care a huge amount about specs. They care about the experience. And the experience is heavily dominated by the games available.

I wouldn’t shell out extra money just for a game if I didn’t like the platform / owner of the platform :stuck_out_tongue: I proved that several times over by having $2,000 in the bank as a child with no bills and I bought neither the ps3 nor xbox360. I didn’t care that the next ninja gaiden was a sony exclusive or that halo, originally a mac exclusive, was purchased by microsoft to become an xbox (not even xbox & pc) exclusive.

In 2014 I bought a ps3 to play dragon’s dogma, but a month later after playing through it a few times I sold the ps3 :smile: If Unity had a linux editor I wouldn’t need windows or mac either.

Only if they’re not shiny graphic obsessed plebs :wink: Otherwise you have unending fan wars over specs lol

@Ryiah I tried to cut off gaming a while ago and was doing pretty good until you gave me that link for planets cubed. That’ll probably be the last :smile:

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Fair enough, but I think it safe to say that you are in a pretty extreme minority. Most consumers don’t operate in such a fashion.

Microsoft can’t change the hardware direction of the XBox One at this point. That ship has sailed. They made the changes they could already. (stripping out the Kinect) I’m still disappointed by that decision. Committing more strongly to the Kinect would have helped to set the XBox One apart as a different kind of experience. Sadly, they sacrificed that in favor of short-term sales.

With the current circumstances, the only real hope they have is exclusive software. But from the sound of how they’re handling some of their licensing, I don’t have a lot of hope for that direction. It’s looking like a steady decline for Microsoft in the console games business.

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Maybe… I’m a little torn. I too was disappointed by the caving and stripping out of the Kinect, but there is a strategy behind it if you look to the future. I think there’s going to be a push to compete with Sony’s upcoming VR solution.

Think about it… most likely roughly in September, the Xbox One will be updated to Windows 10. This brings Universal apps, though I question the real feasibility of apps that are truly cross platform as it’s difficult to design for so many different control styles and form factors, but think about what is coming with Windows 10… Hololens support.

The viability of Hololens has yet to be seen, and everyone is thinking about it in terms of PC, but just what if Microsoft also offers it as an Xbox One addon (and I most certainly think they will). They will also be able to have Xbox One systems that optionally bundle with Hololens instead of Kinect. Stripping Kinect out of the requirements opens the door for them to play with additional technologies.

Kinect was pretty revolutionary in its day… and it was a huge success as it has also been heavily used in research, etc. Not to mention a local company here in Nebraska that uses it for sports analysis and sells entire packages to schools. Hololens certainly isn’t the first VR solution and will have some limitations, but if they can pull it off and make it better than Sony’s solution (and of course Unity will support it), it could be hugely successful for them.

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Possibly. But I can assure you that the XBox-brand integration with Windows 10 and Holo-Lens is not a long-term strategy that Microsoft has been brewing for some time. It’s a desperation hail-mary after the original strategy of the XBox One stumbled out the gate.

And while I think there is plenty of potential in VR, I think it is initially going to be more of a premium gaming experience that will appeal to a smaller, niche audience. In some ways its the console launch all over again. The reason the PS4 did well is because it focused on a core audience of early adopters, instead of trying for mass-market appeal. Sony actually managed to learn a few lessons from the PS3.