Unity transport layer maximum connections

[Wolk]

Hello, I’m writing a simple mmo, and i quite like the serialization on the unities transport layer, plus it allows me to do game logic. However, can someone tell me what’s the max connections i can have, it’s not defined anywhere
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The final step of network configuration is topology definition. Network topology defines how many connections allowed and what connection configuration will used:

HostTopology topology = new HostTopology(config, 10);

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I’m also concerned about performance, since unity is single threaded i’m quite sure i won’t be able to handle many connections at all. What would be a good suggestion for a simple mmo server.

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

Hello, I’m writing a simple mmo, and i quite like the serialization on the unities transport layer, plus it allows me to do game logic. However, can someone tell me what’s the max connections i can have, it’s not defined anywhere
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The final step of network configuration is topology definition. Network topology defines how many connections allowed and what connection configuration will used:

HostTopology topology = new HostTopology(config, 10);

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I’m also concerned about performance, since unity is single threaded i’m quite sure i won’t be able to handle many connections at all. What would be a good suggestion for a simple mmo server.

Well. Change the max connections on your host topology?. And you can multithread your server if you want. Aslong as you recieve from the main thread

[Wolk]

@TwoTen

Well. Change the max connections on your host topology?. And you can multithread your server if you want. Aslong as you recieve from the main thread

Afaik, unities corroutines aren’t multi threaded, i’d have to use C#'s multi threading i guess.

As i said, the maximum number of connections is 65k, which is the number of 16bit ip’s. Meaning i can’t have two connections from the same ip? Either way, i’d like to have more than 65k people connected…

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

Afaik, unities corroutines aren’t multi threaded, i’d have to use C#'s multi threading i guess.

As i said, the maximum number of connections is 65k, which is the number of 16bit ip’s. Meaning i can’t have two connections from the same ip? Either way, i’d like to have more than 65k people connected…

Coroutines are not threads. But as I said. If you multithread the app. You can probably hold alot more.

and why would you not be able to have more than 65k players? Unet,s limit is over 2 mil. (Int max size)

[Wolk]

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Number of connections should be < 65535
Parameter name: maxDefaultConnections
UnityEngine.Networking.HostTopology…ctor (UnityEngine.Networking.ConnectionConfig defaultConfig, Int32 maxDefaultConnections) (at C:/buildslave/unity/build/Runtime/Networking/Managed/NetworkTransportConfig.cs:487)
Server.Start () (at Assets/Server.cs:13)

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Number of connections should be < 65535
Parameter name: maxDefaultConnections
UnityEngine.Networking.HostTopology…ctor (UnityEngine.Networking.ConnectionConfig defaultConfig, Int32 maxDefaultConnections) (at C:/buildslave/unity/build/Runtime/Networking/Managed/NetworkTransportConfig.cs:487)
Server.Start () (at Assets/Server.cs:13)

http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/1141138/unity-networking-transport-layer-max-connection-li.html Might help you.

[Wolk]

Saw that thread already, but i don’t think it’s answered there on how to do it. How do i add another connection based on the same ip (i guess different port)?

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

Saw that thread already, but i don’t think it’s answered there on how to do it. How do i add another connection based on the same ip (i guess different port)?

The comments on the accepted answer explains how to go about it.

[TwoTen]

Actually, this is not correct. Infact, 65535 seems to be the limit for Unet.
Quote from Alex:
“>Connection descriptor is an int? Why limit yourself to only 2,147,483,647 connections?

inside connection described as uint16_t ~65535 connection… We decided to leave int in C# API for the reason do not bore people with casting. If you will over limit this value you will receive error.”

[Wolk]

Not quite sure that comment got it to work. Yeah, that’s the problem, i need to figure out how to make a different “connection” for a different person behind the same ip i believe

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

Not quite sure that comment got it to work. Yeah, that’s the problem, i need to figure out how to make a different “connection” for a different person behind the same ip i believe

Why do you need so many people on one server? Do you need that many realtime connections at once?

[Wolk]

@TwoTen

Why do you need so many people on one server? Do you need that many realtime connections at once?

More than 60k for sure.
Yes, they won’t take much bandwidth or cpu power, but it’d be a hassle to authenticate them each time they make a move, so i won’t be opening and closing so many connections as well.

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

More than 60k for sure.
Yes, they won’t take much bandwidth or cpu power, but it’d be a hassle to authenticate them each time they make a move, so i won’t be opening and closing so many connections as well.

If it’s not a realtime game. I don’t think UDP sockets is the way to go. And all you would have to do is to supply a token or something to the game server.

[Wolk]

int myReiliableChannelId = config.AddChannel(QosType.Reliable);
It’s using tcp, not utp.
I can’t really assign tokens,
NetworkTransport.AddHost(topology,port,extra_ip); I would have to know how to add a connection depending on a different client and no one has managed to explain that so far…

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

int myReiliableChannelId = config.AddChannel(QosType.Reliable);
It’s using tcp, not utp.
I can’t really assign tokens,
NetworkTransport.AddHost(topology,port,extra_ip); I would have to know how to add a connection depending on a different client and no one has managed to explain that so far…

No. UNET is udp only.

[Wolk]

Each message is guaranteed to be delivered but not guaranteed to be in order.

I guess you’re right, but it doesn’t really make a difference imho. I’m just concerned about the max connection size

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

Each message is guaranteed to be delivered but not guaranteed to be in order.

I guess you’re right, but it doesn’t really make a difference imho. I’m just concerned about the max connection size

Well, if you need more than 60k players on one connection. I think you will face more design issues and that the connection limit is the least of your problems. Let alone atracting that amount of players. Currently the number 10 game on steam has 45k players playing it. And GrantTheftAuto 5 currently has 55k. I don’t see why you don’t offload to multiple servers.

[Wolk]

@TwoTen

Well, if you need more than 60k players on one connection. I think you will face more design issues and that the connection limit is the least of your problems. Let alone atracting that amount of players. Currently the number 10 game on steam has 45k players playing it. And GrantTheftAuto 5 currently has 55k. I don’t see why you don’t offload to multiple servers.

True, but it’s a simple game really, not much data to be processed at all. I guess i’ll write architecture to distribute the load, but again i would like to at least theoretically solve the issue of the nr. of connections

[TwoTen]

@Wolk

True, but it’s a simple game really, not much data to be processed at all. I guess i’ll write architecture to distribute the load, but again i would like to at least theoretically solve the issue of the nr. of connections

If you are only using reliable communication and not alot of data. Go for TCP IP. And if you are planning to beat GrandTheftAutos player count. Well, I guess just use more than ONE server? That poor server will have a lot to do managing 60k connections.

[Wolk]

@TwoTen

Well, if you need more than 60k players on one connection. I think you will face more design issues and that the connection limit is the least of your problems. Let alone atracting that amount of players. Currently the number 10 game on steam has 45k players playing it. And GrantTheftAuto 5 currently has 55k. I don’t see why you don’t offload to multiple servers.

True, but it’s a simple game really, not much data to be processed at all. I guess i’ll write architecture to distribute the load, but again i would like to at least theoretically solve the issue of the nr. of connections

@TwoTen

If you are only using reliable communication and not alot of data. Go for TCP IP. And if you are planning to beat GrandTheftAutos player count. Well, I guess just use more than ONE server? That poor server will have a lot to do managing 60k connections.

The problem is that the transport layer offers some nice serialization and has a nice interface, kinda not sure if i should go for C#'s tcp