What's the problem with Necro-Posting?

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So, it is against the forum rules to “pointless Necro-Post”.
Meaning you can’t post a pointless comment or question on an old thread.
I see some problems with this:

1- how old is too old?
2- how do you define “pointless”?
3- It’s alright to post “pointless” comments and questions as long as the thread is fresh?
4- What’s the point of forbidding posting to a post that very specifically matches your problem and is the only search result on Google about it?
5- WHY is necro posting even considered BAD?

Personally, I would rather have all peoples experiences on a specific issue concentrated on the same spot, even if that thread is 10 years old.
And judging by the tendency of the general population to “necro”, I don’t seem to be alone on this.

Is it really better to open a new thread that will probably never be read by the people who experienced said issues in the past (and maybe found a solution) than just ask where the conversation was established? (even years ago)

The internet is a giant update-able archive, what’s the problem with posting on old threads anyway?

Then there is also the issue of asking for something and getting the generic answer of “this topic has already been covered in the past”, yeah, but the threads are old, and you can’t talk on old threads. It’s Catch 22!

I have never been apprehended for necro-posting, but as it’s something I do a lot, should I live in fear because I stumble on an issue, search for info, find a 12 year old thread that never got a definitive answer, find the solution myself after hours of banging my head against the wall and then post it there simply because it’s the sensible place to post the solution, since it’s the number one search result on the issue?

I suppose this makes my necros “not pointless”, but then again, is “pointless” posting ok on new threads anyway?
As long as a thread is fresh, you are welcomed to post pointless comments?

Is it really better to start a new thread every time someone stumbles on the same issue just because the other threads are old?

Where that necro-phobia came from in the first place?
Does it hurt anyone to post on an old thread anyway?
Nobody forces anyone to read it! What’s the issue on it being an OLD THREAD.

Notice I was VERY tempted to necro-post to speak about this, since I did find an old thread about it, but I refrained myself for the sanity of the admins LOL

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I would really like to know why necro-posting is so hated by admins in general yet is the most natural way of people in general to post.

And don’t point me to old discussions about it: Necro posting is forbidden!

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Fear your assumption here is incorrect. When the thread is old, the probability that the initial posters are still around, is low and other people will rather be more reluctant to respond to an old post than a new one simply for the reason that the old one requires you to read it fully before you can answer meaningfully.

It’s definitely not frowned upon to come up with a solution in an old thread. But just “I have this issue too” is likely not gonna lead to much and hence why it’s deemed pointless.

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One reason it’s against rules is because, necro-posting, often with pointless comments like “wow thanks” or “+1”, takes away space from the front-page of a sub-forum from those posting genuine posts or having proper discussions. Lets be real, 99% of the time we’re refreshing the 1st page of any given sub forum.

Honestly mods should lock the thread, then delete offending posts so the thread moves out of the front page.

I believe the mods here have mentioned necro-posting with actual input is generally fine. Pointless necro-posting is not.

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The problem is that one idiot comment can lock a valuable thread.

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My stance (and it kind of matters since I’ve spent over a decade working with it) is that necroposting is an invention that began on non-programming forums.

Think on that for a moment. So “necroposting” is just made up nonsense by non programmers.

On a programming or development forum, some topics need to live years. Some topics need to live months. Some topics need to live weeks. And some probably need to die in a fire.

So…

People should think about the quality of the data. When the data is done, the thread can potentially be locked.

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Probably 9*.5* out of 10 posts on old topics are from newcomers to the forum and it is usually their first post. This is actually healthy for Unity’s business. I’ll tell you why: they felt the need to post and they could. It is so rare. Sometimes I just delete that post, and the topic falls back into the depths just fine.

Oh and forum “rules” are actually closer to guidelines because the day nuance dies is the day these forums become random game forums with a brooding crowd of code hooligans. We have to sound strict but the occasional nuance is very much why we have moderators that aren’t robots and posts that aren’t automatically locked after a time.

Staff also do their own moderation to their own taste, actually. Some of them are more strict than others and it really is quite a laid back thing here. Each to their own, let the water flow down the stream into the ocean of possibility.

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For the first, same thread was created 1 or 2 month ago a d was already answered by modders, or even officials.
Meaning not everyone reads and tracks, nor search for the answers. Basically creating duplicate threads like this one.

Here for example

And if you would search for neceo keyword, you will discover the issue
https://forum.unity.com/search/13553835/?q=Necro&t=post&o=date

These alone are posts, which are not deleted, cleaned. There are more often necro posts, which are cleaned by modders, after being reported.

As bad example of necroing, if someone’s post a solution to a problem 5 years after original poster, where Unity 4-5 was still around and thread was silent since, that is kind of pointless necro posting. Tools and solutions has changed since and problem most likely is inadequate to latest Unity.

There are some exception to universal threads, with almost infinity life span. But that’s really few of them.

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People start helping and arguing with posters that are long gone about problems that no longer need solving. It wastes time. Time of people that didn’t notice age of the threat and join it later.

I’m of opinion that old threads should be visually marked as such. And “too old” is six months.

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I have no problem with so-called necro-posting, particular in a forum where long standing tech issues or workarounds need to be discussed.

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Most necroposts are *hitposts, and the ones that are valuable technical or otherwise valuaable posts stick around i.e. someone realises its not BS and lets it fly which is good. Most of the time people just know when its someone not reading the date last posted vs actually providing good additions to an otherwise seeming “dead” thread thread, as do moderators who review reports. The problem is not necroposts on a whole, its the context behind them and the ones that get reported or disappear are the problems, ones that stick around but add to the thread are not.

However as has been said by others in this thread, people messing around in a thread can close of an otherwise good point of discussion via having thread locked, and I think banning people from specific threads or boards either temporarily or full time would be better than closing threads at that point, but I dont think unity forums supports that. Not suggesting btw instead of locking threads, just as an additional power for moderators in addition to locking threads.

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The issue is that a necroposter adds post at the END of the thread, that unburies it, and people read it from the START. That results in wasting time. Because the problem often no longer exists.

Like I said, I’m of opinion that old or ancient posts should be visually marked as such.

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It would not harm in every case and I’ve seen forums do just that.

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That doesn’t justify forbidding it. It’s their time and they can waste it if they feel like it.
In a case like that you can politely point it out, but that’s it.

It doesn’t need to be necroposting for this to happen.

There are still people using Unity 5. I still have license and it works.

Ok, it’s your opinion and it’s alright but, WHY do you even care?
I mean, it’s not like anyone is forcing you to read it.
Let people talk into the void if they want to.
Just ignore it and that’s it. I still don’t get why people react this way to something completely harmless.

Also, for you “too old” is 6 months, but for Antypodish it’s 1 or 2 months. I’d say that this is completely arbitrary and has no logical reason to be whatsoever.

You assume so, but it doesn’t have to be that way. Time and time again threads are being abandoned simply because no one found a good solution, not that the problem magically went away.
This is still not a logical reason to forbid necro-posting: just read the date of the first post and you’ll know if it’s old or not.

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arguing about a rule that doesn’t exist.

sometimes moderators close a thread and they leave a shorthand comment to explain why. They aren’t going to take three hours to list in detail all the implications about why they close the thread.

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“IF”

It sounds a lot like you already made your mind on the subject and won’t change it.

I do not like wasting my time on a problem that no longer needs solving. And when an ancient thread is unburied, it is very easy to overlook starting date. So in a situation when somebody wrote a response and wouldn’t do if they spotted posting date, they wasted their time, because of the necroposter.

“Nobody is forcing” is not quite true, because when the thread is marked bold and I visit the site, I already waste time checking it.

“no good solution” is not the most common scenario. The most common scenario is a thread that has a few pages, has a discussion going on, and then discussion ends. Then, eleven years later somebody posts unrelated problem at the end, and people start responding to the problem at the start, and only half a day later notice what’s going on.

People err and forget all the time. Humans are not "logical’ and “rational” and humans can also overlook things. That’s why we have consumer laws, anti-fraud laws, and so on. I believe it is a good idea to respect time of people who post answers here, and not waste their time needlessly.

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As said… as an actual mod who does deal with this… its REALLY RARE. Action does not need to be taken. In half the cases when it rarely ever happens (maybe weekly?) I actually reject the reported post. It’s just because it annoys the control freak in programmers. They can’t help it, even if the bump is valid.

It’s seriously not a problem to solve and is nearly always because the person is new, and wanted to say something. Marking it as an old post won’t really cross the radar of new posters.

Again for effect: most people upset about any form of ‘necro’ are just upset because they’re programmers not because the ‘necro’ was bad.

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Like @hippocoder mentioned the rules are not black and white. Negativity against reviving old threads is largely due to people who have used Google to try to find an answer to their question, discover an old thread covering their question, and then post before doing anything else.

Anything else in this case often means some combination of reading the thread to see if the question is already answered, trying out the solutions that have been presented, asking questions that aren’t just a repeat of the original question (in some cases someone else had necro-posted the same question before them), and so on.

I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I have seen a person post a question that is answered in the thread or worse yet do so when the answer to their question is within just a few posts of their question on the same page of the thread that they posted to.

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Even it is in an example of this thread. As exact same thread do exists just few months ago.
Spending moment to find if exists, would save on whole discussion, as answer been given.
And even could reply there.

Actually 1 to 2 months are not old at all. We may not even get any significant update in that time, to thread become obsolete. Specially if there is few years life cycle for each major Unity release.

In terms of game dev, probably 2 years getting old (and that is rather vague). But that depends on the subject and type of the necro responses. One liners without merit are not good. Or argumentative responses to posters, which are often no more active.

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I misread your answer sorry.

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99% of necroposts are:

  • same problem
  • thanks, that helped
  • I have a problem… completely unrelated question

or something along the line. Necroposts are bad, when they don’t add anything meaningful to the conversation. When it is valuable addition, almost no one will shout necro.

I’m upset when it comes to necroposting because I had to write too many times that the answer to the necro-question is two posts above their post. They are just lazy to read the thread.

Exactly.

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