no, I just pointing the contradictions of the EU laws, that is all. and I give a warning so people can defend their data better
I’ve already did this
I’ve checked and at the moment the unity asset store is not conforming to the EU laws. Not sure yet when is the deadline given by EU to adapt the systems to these laws. Maybe the store is outside the law now or maybe they still have time to do this. from what I’m seeing online they talk about 17 February 2025 as a deadline, apple and adobe had this date set for app&digital assets authors to comply.
said this, because all this discussion is not the point of the thread, is just a tangent we got on, I’m answering to your replies, honestly if you start with the fact that what I’m saying is nonsense and you don’t go and inform yourself about the points I’m talking about, we are just losing time for nothing.
I’m extremely informed about data privacy laws, I need to be for my business. There is nothing in the EU digital services act that is supporting what your saying. Currently almost all platforms require information for you to sell anyways (such as anti-money laundering laws, tax compliance, and platform-specific policies), usually this is your bank details. There’s no way a customer can request specific private information, either now or with the DSA. If you sell assets you choose to display what information you want to the customer and only that information will be provided. I don’t see where third party sites come into play if you download pirated assets.
The DSA does not require platforms to make private seller information available to customers. Customers cannot directly request private seller details beyond what is publicly listed.
I don’t really know where you’re getting your information, to be an asset store publisher you need to provide your bank details and tax information, they are conforming to the laws, but please feel free to tell me how they are “not conforming” as I would like to know.
Please feel free to show me what you’re talking about instead of saying “you already have” because you haven’t.
that is not true anymore. I know you don’t want to read anything else besides my posts but I will give another link as an example from the company Adobe, I will give a short quote from that Adobe link that explains exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
Articles 30 and 31 of the DSA require Adobe to obtain and publish contact information for all “traders” on our marketplaces who make listings available to EU users
now if you are a NEW author developer this “trader” thing, you know what you expect. and you can prepare with dedicate information
but the law is retroactive and if you already have an account on platforms from years ago those account may contain sensitive information that you never intended to give anyone else except the platform were you made the account. like adobe or apple for example.
here is the link for Apple and I will quote from them what information they will provide to the user of you product (I think they go further and they provide this info to everyone). The quote:
You’ll need to enter the following for display on your App Store product pages:
Address or P.O. Box
Phone number
Email address
again the issue is that most small authors of these type of digital products were first normal users then they moved to create these products and they never planned to pay for a business address/office/PO Box dedicated email address and separate phone number.
as for unity currently NOT complying with EU laws, I’m from EU and when browsing the asset store I don’t see the information that is required to be displayed in EU
first screen, product has only the author name. second screen author page, is missing phone number and physical address or PO Box.
I can say with a certain degree of truth that a big chunk of unity store authors will not have an office with a dedicated business phone number. they will have a home address and a private phone number
sorry but you asked for this, you are not doing a very good job on informing yourself. But I will not be too harsh because what EU did here is so anti privacy and common sense that is unbelievable. At first I also struggled to understand what EU lawmakers have in their empty pumpkin heads that come up with this thing. I have some ideas now why they did this but probably this is not the forum to talk about it. Is not good for small authors if what I suspect is true.
I’ve been specifically asking and you keep neglecting to show me where private information is made public. I don’t know why you’re linking me with Adobe or anything else, that doesn’t prove anything here’s full DSA
I’ve already said:
There is no law that states anyone without a proper subpoena can get your information. You keep arguing that there’s private data being leaked, and I keep saying Unity and 99% of all the other platforms that sell digital assets require certain information already that fully complies with DSA. You already have to put in your information to sell on the asset store.
I think you need to brush up on your law, DSA law specifically states:
Providers of online platforms allowing consumers to conclude distance contracts with traders shall ensure that traders
can only use those online platforms to promote messages on or to offer products or services to consumers located in the
Union if, prior to the use of their services for those purposes, they have obtained the following information, where applicable to the trader:
(a) the name, address, telephone number and email address of the trader;
Where applicable means:
If a trader is a physical person (individual), the address might be required, but if it’s a sole proprietorship or a business with a different kind of legal structure, the information might vary.
If the trader doesn’t have a telephone number, the provider may not need to obtain it. Instead, other forms of communication (such as email) could be sufficient.
So, the requirement for certain information depends on the specific situation of the trader, the policies of the platform, and it’s not a blanket requirement for all traders.
Where applicable does not mean, you need a company address, or a phone number. How can you give a phone number or an address if you don’t have one?
You’re not doing a very good job on controlling your emotions. You keep saying that private information is being leaked and I’m trying to understand where you’re getting your information from.
This is more for things like NFT’s not unity assets, they want to catch people who try and sell fake or worthless digital assets. There’s a full article in the DSA that states you have to supply any information on advertisements.
I’ve already explained to you the concept of time, before and after the law was created. Accounts made before this law was created are forced now to reveal their privacy information that was never intended to be public or lose their seller account.
because you keep saying that the law doesn’t exists and I keep showing you major platform describing clearly what it is about and the issues the law have. maybe just click on a link and read it? is a link to adobe and apple not some shady website.
it doesn’t, at the moment they don’t conform. but doesn’t mean yet they are outside the EU law yet, I didn’t check when is the final deadline offered to the platforms by EU to comply and when they will start to issue fines or block the platform in EU. but is probably near if google, apple, adobe and others had already implemented the policy.
the concept of time, the information given by an author to a platform like unity in 2014 for example, was never intended to be given to a buyer or be fully visible on the platform. neither unity or the authors ever wanted to make this information public. but NOW the European Union WILL FORCE unity to reveal that information. I don’t know how many times I need to explain these simple information to you. both the platforms and the authors on those platforms are not ok with this but if you don’t click a link to inform yourself what I can do?
I’m sure you think of yourself that you are better at EU laws than Apple or Adobe expensive lawyers. but IF you click on the links I’ve posted you will see that the address, phone number, email is mandatory for anyone browsing the platform in the EU. Your confusion may be that you think I’m speculating or interpreting the law. I’m not, I’m just showing what these platform are doing.
I’ve never said that information are “leaked” I don’t understand where you’ve got this.
this applies to any digital product. like unity assets, apps on phones, whatever and is connected with the European Union consumer protection laws and support for products and other stuff like that. Officially at least.
the problem is that the people that do these shady stuff buy legitimately (usually requesting a refund after) and because of this EU new law they will have access to assets author sensible private information that they can then use to scam them or do other shady stuff.
You are saying “private information” is being leaked, I mentioned multiple times all this information is already given to a customer, you already have to put a name and a email address, that falls within the DSA regulations. A name is not private information a ‘Legal name’ would be, if you don’t have a business address you don’t have to put a private one.
I explained what “Where applicable” means, it does not say or mean “mandatory”, if Adobe and Apple choose to ask for that information to sell in the EU that’s their policy, as a seller you choose to give the information you want customers to see, you can’t give a phone number if you don’t have one.
In law, “where applicable” means that a particular rule, condition, or provision applies only if the relevant circumstances exist. If the situation does not meet the necessary criteria, the rule or requirement does not apply.
Regardless of all of this, you keep forgetting as a seller you have the choice to not sell in the EU. You do not have to agree to laws that don’t govern you:
You keep saying mandatory, EU doesn’t have that power, they can’t shut down sellers if a company chooses not to sell or if sellers opt out of the EU market, there’s no repercussions, we don’t have to sell to Europeans.
if you are not from EU you may not understand this but the EU definitely has the power to legally mess with companies like google apple or unity. in fact they already fined multiple companies for billions of dollars. for example google got over 8 billions of dollars in fines over the years.
“mandatory” is if you want to sell in the EU. why you are interpreting this like I’m referring to the entire world?
can you explain what you mean by “leak”? what do you mean by this? what you are quoting from me it doesn’t mean “leak” for me.
we are moving on different fronts here and it is getting confusing. so the entire point I’m making is not about what a company needs to get from an author but what that company is forced by EU to display as information on the side of a digital product. so if both Adobe and Apple decided that address, phone number, email are mandatory is because is what is required by the EU. These mega corporations have lobby teams and lawyers talking personally with the EU lawmakers about this stuff.
this depends of the platforms and is beside the point of this discussion. did unity for example offers to authoirs tools to exclude buyers from certain countries apart those that unity as a whole excluded?
You are not forced as a seller to sell to the EU, you can opt out. You do not have to give any private information to companies and you choose what you show to customers if you’re selling digital assets. I’ve already explained this to you and you keep repeating yourself.
You literally said:
the problem is that the people that do these shady stuff buy legitimately (usually requesting a refund after) and because of this EU new law they will have access to assets author sensible private information that they can then use to scam them or do other shady stuff.
“they will have access to assets author sensible private information” is leaking information or giving out private information, it’s the exact same terminology. I’ve shown you multiple times how that isn’t true, and you keep stating it as fact for unity assets. There is no place that any private information is being shown to customers buying digital assets that you do not choose to show them. In terms of the legislation Unity is conforming to these rules, if a seller chooses to show their name (again this is not a legal name), and email address (all the things unity required originally to sell) that complies with the legislation, if a seller does not have a phone number or an address that’s a different story and falls under “where applicable”.
I’ve tried to explain what “Where applicable” means multiple times and you keep saying it’s mandatory. No it’s not mandatory in any sense, you can choose to opt out and if it’s applicable that you do not have a phone number you don’t have to supply it.
I’m going to stop here, every example I show you seem to not understand or ignore.
ok, we will get back to this when unity will decide that is time to do this for the unityasset store. hopefully if you sell assets there it will be more clear
but you asked for this, you are not doing a very good job on informing yourself. But I will not be too harsh because what EU did here is so anti privacy and common sense that is unbelievable. At first I also struggled to understand what EU lawmakers have in their empty pumpkin heads that come up with this thing. I have some ideas now why they did this but probably this is not the forum to talk about it. Is not good for small authors if what I suspect is true.
is a link to adobe and apple not some shady website.
