Unity does not allow adult/nsfw games?

[altepTest]

@Murgilod

you’re making bizarre leaps of logic

bro are you for real?

I’ve linked to the unity terms and conditions page and you can read there they don’t allow you do use unity in any nuclear facility, whatever that is, Intercontinental ballistic missile silo, nuclear power plant, nuclear bomb testing facility, whatever facility that deal with nuclear or has anything to do with nuclear stuff. unity is clearly about you not using their products in do nuclear stuff. just read it. is there, I don’t lie. really. bro, just click link do search with browser. is there.

people these days, I post them link to the source with exact citation. “oh no no no you are inventing stuff, bu hu hu”

[Murgilod]

Which has nothing to do with adult content. I am saying this has nothing to do with adult content. Which is what this thread is about.

[altepTest]

@Murgilod

Which has nothing to do with adult content

ok finally at least for once you admit I’m right about something.

It has everything to do with the topic point of adult content because what I was trying to say in all my post is that unity as a company want to have all cards in hand all the good things all the rights everything, and unity partners have absolutely nothing.

someone in the management legal team is so focused on these license things that they managed to bring the company from $200 per share to $20 per share just by updating these license terms.

you want to know something, honestly, there still is a chance unity may get after adult games developers just to get some money to survive another year. decide these devs broke the license and sue for damage. why not?

[Betty_Warlock]

@altepTest

17.3.3 Dangerous Uses Restriction

You may not use Offerings in the operation of nuclear facilities

This one, weirdly, is pretty standard. Unreal had it for the longest time, Apple and Adobe have it presently. It’s been falling out of fashion in favor of disclaiming fitness for any purpose backed by strongly worded clauses requiring the end users to determine in their own due diligence that the product meets their particular needs.

@Ryiah

Unity is just protecting themselves against lawsuits.

Again, if any of that were true we’d see this language in other game engines (such as Unreal and Godot) and we’d see this in other related products such as those from Adobe and Autodesk. We don’t.

Unity may WANT this leverage over some of their users. They may WANT to distance themselves from certain game developers, but the notion that this is some sort of legal ass covering isn’t convincing me.

@Ryiah

If you’re concerned either reach out to Unity

I have filed a ticket with Unity Customer Service. We’ll see how that goes.

[altepTest]

@Betty_Warlock

Godot

leave godot alone, is a free public domain engine, as long as you don’t forget to you add the extremely short MIT license with your game then you can do whatever you want, even use it inside a ballistic missile if you want.

@Betty_Warlock

We’ll see how that goes

good luck, it took 6 months for me to get a reply last time I’ve opened a support ticket and another 6 months after that from them to reply back to my reply

[Ryiah]

@Betty_Warlock

Again, if any of that were true we’d see this language in other game engines (such as Unreal and Godot) and we’d see this in other related products such as those from Adobe and Autodesk. We don’t.

On the contrary it doesn’t mean that at all. Ignoring Adobe and Autodesk which don’t make software for creating distributable apps, all three of these game engines are based in different parts of the world (Unity is in California, Epic is in North Carolina, and Godot is in Argentina) and thus have different laws to follow. It doesn’t necessarily have to be related to a law either. It can just be based off of a recommendation on the part of their lawyers. Whether it has any teeth is another matter and that requires a lawyer to understand.

[spiney199]

Part of me also wonders if its due other third parties that Unity work’s with, like Tipalti for their ad revenue payment, having restrictions on these things too.

I don’t know anything about their terms, but Paypal does, from memory, in their terms, prohibit transactions pertaining to adult content through their services. This is due in part due to other parties they work with.

Not that people don’t still use Paypal for that kind of thing. It’s just about not drawing attention to yourself.

[Ryiah]

@spiney199

Part of me also wonders if its due other third parties that Unity work’s with, like Tipalti for their ad revenue payment, having restrictions on these things too.

Yeah, that’s likely what’s happening here. Unity’s full clause is much more than just no adult content. It includes things like “promotes unlawful violence” which would prevent you from creating most video games in general.

[Betty_Warlock]

@Ryiah

Ignoring Adobe and Autodesk

Here’s why I’m not doing that: the argument being made here is that Unity has to cover their bases in case someone tries to sue them over some despicable porn game made with their tools. Ok, great. So what about Adobe products being used to make despicable porn? What about Autodesk? There’s no pressing legal distinction between the content of a game, and anything that can be made in Photoshop. At the end of the day, it’s all just “material”. This puts Unity and Adobe in roughly the same legal standing concerning material made with their products.

@Ryiah

@spiney199

Part of me also wonders if its due other third parties that Unity work’s with, like Tipalti for their ad revenue payment, having restrictions on these things too.

Yeah, that’s likely what’s happening here. Unity’s full clause is much more than just no adult content. It includes things like “promotes unlawful violence” which would prevent you from creating most video games in general.

Yeah I tend to agree here.

Hopefully Unity takes considerably less than 6 months to clarify the matter.

[UhOhItsMoving]

Can I make this psychological horror game

My 2c; not a lawyer: First: The rule says what it says. In addition to the Unity Runtime being an Offering with no exception added for it in the rule, the rule also uses the term “End-Users”, defined in the TOS as “an end user who views, uses or otherwise engages with any of your Projects”. Unity’s usage of this term in the rule means that they were aware of Projects when making this rule (because “your Projects” are what end users use), so the inclusion of Projects under this rule was intenti…

[Murgilod]

Has anyone heard anything back from Unity at all?

[altepTest]

@Murgilod

Has anyone heard anything back from Unity at all?

I would not hold my breath, I think you will not get public debate from unity on legal matters. that because no one from the company can “interpret” or expand on the license terms for you. if they do that it can be used against them in an eventual trial.

maybe they will prove me wrong but it makes sense for them to not get into these types of debates. is why they have a legal department not for some random staff member to start debating the license terms on forums.

[Murgilod]

I’m going to explain this in very simple terms so that maybe you’ll understand the situation here.

Several people have emailed Unity about this. I am one of them. They have done this because they are making adult games and need to make sure that Unity Technologies will not cut off their licenses because their games have sexually explicit content by nature. Unlike other things such as violent content, sexually explicit content is called out door being portrayed.

What is happening here is that people are trying to make sure they can use Unity for their jobs, not a “forum debate.” I am asking if anyone’s has heard anything from direct conduct l contact with Unity Technologies. Doo you understand?

[altepTest]

@Murgilod

trying to make sure they can use Unity for their jobs, not a “forum debate.”

sorry if I’ve got my nose into your serious problem.

@Murgilod

I’m going to explain this in very simple terms so that maybe you’ll understand the situation here.

ok listen up, i will write clear. the term of use are clearly laid out and if they could had stated more clear than what is already there they would have done that.

as you see there are at least two threads about this term of use license debate and no one from unity show up. I’ve also told you why they didn’t show up.

ideally when the support people will read the support tickets they may contact the legal department and maybe you will get an answer. that probably will take time.

unfortunately last year the time it took for me to get an answer to a ticket was 6 months. maybe they have reduced the time meanwhile but I doubt it will be really fast especially if they need to take a clear position.

because they can’t deny what is in the license terms but also they can’t clearly say that a lot of games on platforms like gog or steam are breaking unity license of use.

now seriously not sure how is so hard to understand that unity is doing a double trick of “live and let live” they have these terms about nsfw games from 2023 and they did nothing till now.

in April 2023 they changed from

(v) Upload User Content to any Offering that is illegal, hateful, obscene, threatening, incites violence, insulting, defamatory, invasive of privacy or contains graphic violence or is otherwise objectionable to third parties;

to

(v) Access, store, distribute, introduce, or transmit any material during the course of its use of the Offerings which is false, deceptive, misleading, harmful, threatening, defamatory, obscene, infringing, harassing or racially or ethnically offensive, facilitates illegal activity, depicts sexually explicit images, promotes unlawful violence, is discriminatory based on race, gender, color, religious belief, sexual orientation, disability, or is otherwise illegal or causes damage or injury to any person or property, or authorize or otherwise permit any third party, including but not limited to End-Users, to do so;

which as timing is too much of a coincidence with the rise of AI generate images and all the can of worms it brings with. like celebrities faces or artists.

anyway because you like the serious talk if you are creating nsfw games contacting unity demanding clarification is like shooting yourself in the foot. God forbid they are backed in a corner and they need to start enforcing the license.

[Murgilod]

That’s literally not how any of this works and asking for license clarification is due diligence on the part of the licensees. I get that you’ve never had to take a job like this seriously before, but you really have no idea what you’re talking about. License clarification is something people have to contact Unity about REGULARLY.

[Qleenie]

Never heard of this after working 20 years professionally. Also not practicable, as frequency of changes would remain unknown. License changes need to be send to customers and actively agreed on, especially on tools you use for professional work like Unity Editor.

[Murgilod]

You’ve never heard of contacting a company to clarify unclear aspects of a license?

[Qleenie]

This of course, but not unannounced license changes that are written somewhere on the internet. Never heard of a duty to constantly search the internet for license changes of all the tools I use. So if Unity wants to change a license term, they need active agreeing of the customer in it. But maybe I misunderstood your last sentence (doing license clarification regularly). License clarification is done once, and further changes need to be pushed to customers.

[altepTest]

@Murgilod

never had to take a job like this seriously before

oh you are a professional then and I’m not. such entitlement, you deserve me proving you are not the professional you claim to be.

you should had noticed this adult nsfw issue in 2023 when you made your account. first thing a professional developer do is to read the license of use before accepting the license, not two years later. that is what a professional does.

@Qleenie

License changes need to be send to customers and actively agreed on

unity uses a passive accepting of new terms, if you continue to use unity then you accept the new terms. if you are not ok with the terms you need to stop using unity now, I think you also need to delete your account. this is the norm for all software games whatever online.

@Qleenie

Never heard of a duty to constantly search the internet for license changes of all the tools I use.

yeah I know is sounds worng but that is how it works.

[Murgilod]

@altepTest

you should had noticed this adult nsfw issue in 2023 when you made your account. first thing a professional developer do is to read the license of use before accepting the license, not two years later. that is what a professional does.

My account is more than a decade old. My profile data got wiped when they moved to the new forum software. Nice attempt at an own though.