even worse then, you should had read the license when was changed in 2023 if you are such a better professional than me.
There was effectively no reason to because the license change did not include this language for ages and it was a well established fact that was the case to the point where I have been involved in multiple conversations about this for more than a decade. You have no leg to stand on here and now grownups are trying to figure out whatās going on after a silent update that was pushed through 2 years ago without properly informing us.
grown ups should stop digging their own graves and not stick their fingers in the wasp net. let the dragon sleep brother.
Again, you donāt get it. Adult content producers have to be on top of this with announced or ambiguous terms. Unityās terms change was unannounced and they are worryingly inambiguous. You donāt have anything to do with the adult games industry and itās abundantly clear because if a licensor has that sort of thing in their license, especially unannounced, you are running the risk of one day things disappearing and you need to plan ahead of that. This doesnāt just happen with tool providers, but platform holders as well. This has happened with Steamās inconsistent approval and rejection of adult games, for instance.
This involves peoples livelihoods and we need clarification in case or before Unity starts enforcing this sort of thing.
and why are you angry with me?
what specifically I donāt get because you keep saying āI donāt get, I donāt getā
This has never been a problem, and adult games have been explicitly made with unity for over a decade.
The amount of unity made adult games on steam should be evidence of this.
unity only cares they get their licence fees.
hell there was a unity dev talking about adult games at GDC this year.
The only real concern now days is fucking banks and payment processors being stupid.
Then why Unity felt the need to add such a clause specifically targeting adult games? Itās a recent change following a complete leadership swap of the company. Expecting the same, therefore, is suspect. I want to believe, but itās an emotional argument, not a practical one. We need clarification. Historically, many platforms have supported adult content and then suddenly changed their mind.
Well #1 it doesnāt specifically target porn it targets a lot of games. āpromotes unlawful violenceā is extremely broad for example. It means a GTA style game canāt be made (besides some of the other restrictions), thatās absurd.
This is like every time people rediscover the ToS of twitter or deviant art that their posts might be used in marketing or something.
Iām gone link this thread where Iāve had a very interesting debate with spiney on a closely related topic. For my posts I think what Iāve said there applies here, just so I donāt write everything again and repeat the entire discussion chain
It does target porn, it specifically says ādepictsā for sexually explicit material while everything else is āpromotes,ā which has a distinct connotation here. Promoting involves the advocating of.
From what Iāve gathered, the āUnity Terms of Serviceā are the terms for the unity website, from reading the terms they tried to mix the unity engine in with things like unity discussions (this) and thatās not really how it works, you canāt just label āsoftwareā as everything, the engine has separate terms. Eg.
āOfferingsā means Software, Online Services and Entitlements provided by or for Unity, whether made available for free, as part of a subscription, for a fee or any other basis.
Anyone can argue against what āofferings meansā.
Iām 90% sure they just used AI or a Lawyer that didnāt know what they were doing or what Unity actually did.
TL;DR I donāt think the terms extend to the engine just the unity community / account, as thereās separate terms you agree to.
this argument fails because first there is a very large and detailed section about arbitration in various location around the world. that has nothing to do with a forum user which may not be a developer.
the section referring to adult restriction stuff is the general overall covering all services offered by unity. (the offerings) which is this one here
then they have more specific license of use, for example for the editor
note that the editor is a subsection of the main terms of use dealing with the monetary stuff
and is clearly state at the top of the page that they need to be taken together with the main terms of services
These terms (the āSoftware Terms ā) govern your use of the Unity Editor, including pursuant to a Unity Plan, and supplement the Unity Terms of Service.
just for completition sake here are the terms for the forum
Is arguing with people a common thing with you? Youāve been flagged multiple times in this thread, if I could suggest maybe chill out a little?
The Editor Terms do not state anything about what content you make with the editor: Unity Editor Software Terms so thatās the Editor specific agreement (Thereās versions of unity you can use without agreeing to a user agreement).
The point Iām trying to make is the entire article reads like it was written specifically for community:
(v) Access, store, distribute, introduce, or transmit any material during the course of its use of the Offerings which is false, deceptive, misleading, harmful, threatening, defamatory, obscene, infringing, harassing or racially or ethnically offensive, facilitates illegal activity, depicts sexually explicit images, promotes unlawful violence, is discriminatory based on race, gender, color, religious belief, sexual orientation, disability, or is otherwise illegal or causes damage or injury to any person or property, or authorize or otherwise permit any third party, including but not limited to End-Users, to do so;
And not for the content in games, if that was the case an extreme amount of games (+50%) would lose their licence agreements. Iām not saying thatās the truth but thatās the way it reads to me, and in my experience this is rarely enforceable. Even if that was the case a good lawyer could specifically point out software and non software, as you could easily write a CDN that uploads āsaid contentā to a game thatās already built and hosted somewhere else.
You also need to chill, stop arguing with people, you can approach a conversation like an adult and have a discussion.
Iām having a discussion and posting relevant links and arguments. Is just that you personally posted a comment that makes no sense and when you got called about this got you angry instead of recognizing the mistake like a man.
Iāve posted a link to a specific page that has the account community rules that you as a moderator should already know about.
you should read carefully what Iāve posted and not invent stuff about me āarguingā with everyone. being wrongly flagged by people you personally agree with doesnāt make the flagging action correct.
I give you a hint, as a moderator you should contact the unity community manager, ask him to try to find the answer these people have asked about this very important issue. We know unity staff do not have time to read all the things on forum and your role as a moderator is important to bridge the community with unity staff.
yes that is the point of this thread. based on how the license is laid down that is what it means.
you know what. just point and exemplify what is wrong with my posts so I can learn from. because you are just generalizing all the posts Iāve made like is in this category. Iām serious about this, not pulling your leg or something.
Youāre getting flagged on a post I already was a part of, thatās why Iām here, seeing why youāre getting flagged:
How you interpret my anger is on you, Iām pretty relaxed.
I posted a link to the Editor agreement.
Two people did not wrongly flag you, youāre becoming a nuisance here and Iām just asking you nicely to partake in discussions and not arguments.
āif you are such a better professional than me.ā,
this isnāt really constructive, just recognize that not everyone has the same idea of constructive discussion and yours is coming off argumentative.
Sometimes, a constructive discussion needs some arguing. I know, you are totally not a fan of it, but so is life. You can nope out of this discussion anytime.
And perhaps we should go back to what Murgilod saidā¦
ā¦and wait for people - who actually asked Unity - to enlighten us. Seems like a better idea thanā¦ arguingā¦ what the terms could possibly mean.
āSometimes, a constructive discussion needs some arguing.ā sure, but let me know when that can happen without users flagging them.
Thereās a difference between banning someone for a week without warning when messaging people for jobs, and getting multiple flags by the community.
Did I ban Altep, or ask him to participate in a discussion without being flagged?
And what? Promotes is āPlayer does crime and kills cops, gets away richā.
Just avoid posting porn on the forums and directly to staff, have a little courtesy itās not that hard.
Also i donāt expect a response on this issue, this ToS was written by legal so if Unity has a problem they can get out of it. Unless legal feels like making a response to this thread i doubt weāll hear anything unless the ToS suddenly changes.
No, it really isnāt. This is a portrayal of violence, not advocating for it.
Iāve literally emailed UT about clarifications and gotten them in the past, thereās just always a delay.
That is up to the opinion of whoever reviews it. And everyone knows GTA has long been accused of promoting illegal violence by making it fun. Itās a trivial distinction.
Regardless, thereās a whole industry out there not concerned with this. Tons of games, I donāt expect unity to go out of itās way to go to bat for porn. They know itās there, theyāre not blind to it, they get the checks.
I donāt see the point in seeking clarification when thereās much bigger fish than you, who would have a much bigger stake than you, and theyāre not worried about this.
If youāre really that worried use a different engine without these terms. Honestly.
Cause from experience, nothing good every really ever comes from asking for permission unnecessarily.